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Can we consider putting the guild rank and promotion points back into the guild command?

With the roll out of the general abilities guild rank is mostly obsolete, but there are still some guild actions that are tied to guild rank. For example, you may need to be a certain rank before you can initiate another player into the guild. We need to know if and when we make that threshold.

I don't want this to become a discussion about guild rank and GM/IC interaction, we can save that for another thread. I'd just like the GUILD command restored to its former glory and usefulness.

Thanks,

Arphaxad

I agree with this suggestion. We're still able to receive promotions, after all.

I'd like to see this.

What do you mean by "cab initiate"? Are you referring to an individual who can instantly initiate another into their guild without another faction members approval? If so then you should be aware that this ability has nothing to do with guild rank and cannot be obtained via any mechanical, grinded or scripted means. It is an IC gift often given to select members who have been around for a long time, exemplify their faction standards in all they do and in the eyes of the leadership, have truly earned it. This ability cannot be asked for, npcmailed for or otherwise requested. It is simply given.

Are their any other reasons why you feel that guild ranks should be shown?

Noctere,

Sorry about that, it was a typo 'can initiate' is what is should be. (I fixed it, good catch)

I was not referring specifically to the ability to solo-initiate. I was referring to the rank required to recommend/approve a candidate for initiation. In sending candidates to other members for review/approval was told OOCly that the faction member lacked the guild rank to do so. That was my primary reason for request guild rank and promotion points.

Thanks for the information on the solo-initiate ability. I was not aware. It was my 'assumption' that guild rank played some part in the selection process. Obviously I was wrong.

Arphaxad

I do think it would be cool to see how many guild points you have though.

My problem with guild rank is it makes people think they're some sort of special figure in their guild if they're uber high rank, even though all it really means is they've grinded a lot of tasks.

Guild standing should be measured by something else like faction earned through RP than just rank which can be grinded. If any guilds still use rank-based mechanics, we should probably migrate them towards a faction-based system instead rather than re-enabling rank displays.

Which guilds actually use ranks still? Just the ones that have player initiation systems?

I like getting the titles for fun. But if there is going to be an in character ranking system you should have to meet certain requirements besides here grind tasks. like rp requirements.

The mummers have a rank-based "reward", unless I am mistaken and I was able to do this through my rp or it has been changed since then.

Akila wrote:The mummers have a rank-based "reward", unless I am mistaken and I was able to do this through my rp or it has been changed since then.

Mummers are faction-based, those rewards are earned through RP.

I just want them ranks for the titles, lol. It would be convenient to be able to see how far I am from the next rank, though your personal rank can still be checked as is if you enable the option in profile and profile yourself. As for ranks not being an indication of status in the guild... well, grinding tasks is still doing guild work right? As far as I was aware, that was pretty much the daily work of most people in guilds, making sure to keep up with tasks. If someone has a truly monstrous guild rank, I can see them not necessarily having a leadership position, but I would think it would at least have some affect on your interactions with the guild. "That guy there has completed more jobs than anyone in recent history!" "This guy is the best of the best, they say he's completed every job given to him without refusing" "That guys been here for years, but he doesn't do much work, eh?" As general thoughts.

Could just base the titles on point totals instead of ranks.

Noctere wrote:Are their any other reasons why you feel that guild ranks should be shown?

Personally I miss it because it's nice to know exactly where I stand in the guild. It keeps my goals within the guild from being OOC in that I have to grind to gain skills. I like feeling useful within a guild without really much reward. I like the evidence shown by the guild itself that I'm actually doing something.

Titles for me aren't a big deal since I don't use any guild titles on OOC communication to begin with with any of my characters.

I think sometime in the past 11 months, I re-enabled ranks and points in the guild command. I don't really feel it's needed, but just adding it as a note here - this has been done.