Re: Couple of my thoughts.
Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:42 am
I have no idea what game you are playing Karasi. Here is the list you posted,, and counter arguements from my own experiences.
1. things happening in-game to people with no IC explanations.
I have never had anything of this nature happen to me, other than events where nothing was entirely out of my control. I think you are specificly refering to the dimming of light. The guidelines are what the light requires of those who channel it. It's not the church controlling the light, it isn't a dial the leaders can just turn down or something. You can seek advise on the matters, and I'm sure usually it is sound advice, and from what I can tell if you make the changes you were advised to make your light will return. Nobody is perfect either, there are going to be times when you are dimmed even though you're doing your best to follow the guidelines, so seek advice, make changes, and if it continues make more changes, analyse everything. I personally think it would be rather fun to play, though maybe this is only from an outsider's point of view.
2. no attempt in-game by leaders of certain guilds to keep the people from leaving. No attempt to reconcile. Encouragement to leave.
This statement is extremely vaigue. If you're talking about the church again, they aren't going to beg you to stay, they can't change your heart. They can't suddenly change the guidelines to suit your needs. Any other guild, depending on which one, other than going inactive rl, there's really no way to leave other than just exccluding yourself entirely,, and even in a couple of these there are dire consequences.
3. Weeks of posts back and forth, grumpy words, pleading words, fiery words.
Again extremely vaigue, and honestly if you're talking about the bbs, ever since this thread went live, there have not been any flamewars at all. Nearly every new post has been productive, and in most cases were implamented or explained why it wasn't. I haven't read any more angry words other than this thread due to your post.
4. GM's unwilling to change things, even when the majority have made it plain how they feel about certain issues.
This is highly inaccurate. Pointing to what Elystole has said, most of the time if you are polite, give very detailed explinations why you think it's wrong, which by the way, yours was not, and maintain a civilized tone, there's a good chance you'll receive a response with an equally detailed explination as to why or why not it was implamented.
5. The fact that people have left, and will continue to do so, on account of most, if not all, of the above.
I really don't appreciate you speaking for everybody. I don't intend to leave, I enjoy playing the game, it is still growing, things are still being worked out, and in the past month or so we have seen a number of new players who have stuck around and have participated in many events and lore and mechanic voice chats. If people have left due to the above reasons, then they should take another look at the game,, because it isn't the same game that I play now.
6. People taking in-character out of character and vise versa. People using OOC knowledge to treat characters differently. People using IC info to do the same.
On this game, I really have not seen anything of the sort. There are a few people out of game who don't like me, but in game none of that bleeds through, and I really do enjoy that. I appreciate it, and I return the behavior.
I feel that your post was extremely rude, and even more ignorent of the goings on with the recent changes. This past month or two has been some of the funnest I have had on clok, and I feel that it is only going to get better in the coming years, so take another look at the game we all play.
1. things happening in-game to people with no IC explanations.
I have never had anything of this nature happen to me, other than events where nothing was entirely out of my control. I think you are specificly refering to the dimming of light. The guidelines are what the light requires of those who channel it. It's not the church controlling the light, it isn't a dial the leaders can just turn down or something. You can seek advise on the matters, and I'm sure usually it is sound advice, and from what I can tell if you make the changes you were advised to make your light will return. Nobody is perfect either, there are going to be times when you are dimmed even though you're doing your best to follow the guidelines, so seek advice, make changes, and if it continues make more changes, analyse everything. I personally think it would be rather fun to play, though maybe this is only from an outsider's point of view.
2. no attempt in-game by leaders of certain guilds to keep the people from leaving. No attempt to reconcile. Encouragement to leave.
This statement is extremely vaigue. If you're talking about the church again, they aren't going to beg you to stay, they can't change your heart. They can't suddenly change the guidelines to suit your needs. Any other guild, depending on which one, other than going inactive rl, there's really no way to leave other than just exccluding yourself entirely,, and even in a couple of these there are dire consequences.
3. Weeks of posts back and forth, grumpy words, pleading words, fiery words.
Again extremely vaigue, and honestly if you're talking about the bbs, ever since this thread went live, there have not been any flamewars at all. Nearly every new post has been productive, and in most cases were implamented or explained why it wasn't. I haven't read any more angry words other than this thread due to your post.
4. GM's unwilling to change things, even when the majority have made it plain how they feel about certain issues.
This is highly inaccurate. Pointing to what Elystole has said, most of the time if you are polite, give very detailed explinations why you think it's wrong, which by the way, yours was not, and maintain a civilized tone, there's a good chance you'll receive a response with an equally detailed explination as to why or why not it was implamented.
5. The fact that people have left, and will continue to do so, on account of most, if not all, of the above.
I really don't appreciate you speaking for everybody. I don't intend to leave, I enjoy playing the game, it is still growing, things are still being worked out, and in the past month or so we have seen a number of new players who have stuck around and have participated in many events and lore and mechanic voice chats. If people have left due to the above reasons, then they should take another look at the game,, because it isn't the same game that I play now.
6. People taking in-character out of character and vise versa. People using OOC knowledge to treat characters differently. People using IC info to do the same.
On this game, I really have not seen anything of the sort. There are a few people out of game who don't like me, but in game none of that bleeds through, and I really do enjoy that. I appreciate it, and I return the behavior.
I feel that your post was extremely rude, and even more ignorent of the goings on with the recent changes. This past month or two has been some of the funnest I have had on clok, and I feel that it is only going to get better in the coming years, so take another look at the game we all play.