All very interesting to read. I am so torn on choices.
On one hand, Gudleifr's axe. On the other, Tower Shield.
On the horizon: Ability Trees, Class Specializations, and Guilds
Re: On the horizon: Ability Trees, Class Specializations, and Guilds
~Dorn
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Re: On the horizon: Ability Trees, Class Specializations, and Guilds
From the way it sounds, if you want a primary attribute, you'd have to spend one of your very limited ability points. You can only learn one, of course, and there's no telling whether it is something that can be unlearned at a later point.artus wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2024 12:19 pm Simply ability point investment? Might I ask what that's supposed to mean?
My wild guess is that it's like this thing you can choose to spend an ability point on, no getting back, no unlearn and permanent loss of one max slot for abilities, as a tradeoff of free attribute buffs.
Re: On the horizon: Ability Trees, Class Specializations, and Guilds
I have a question, and I know that old Clok and what the game might be different, however, are all guilds going to have prerequisites on 'classes'? or will they be open to join? I just know that in the past some people found the Wyrvardn 'boring' cause they were the knights in shiny armour but that's not the case. Protecting people can vary on how you want to do it. Like there was a certain Wyrvardn NPC that used light armour with a musket. (Not sure if that has changed in Lore or not seeing as she doesn't give tasks anymore), which would be cool to see duelist in the Wyrvardns and all that. Talyn has a new thought on what he wants to do with his organization but I'm curious and excited to see what you have planned.
Re: On the horizon: Ability Trees, Class Specializations, and Guilds
Instead of how long, because that is a difficult thing to estimate and even worse to live up to that expectation, could we instead have an idea of how far along this overhaul has come already? A vague percentage is completely understandable, but gives us an idea without tying anyone to a date. We're all chomping at the bit in excitement, but we know it's a massive undertaking. A little tidbit would go a long way. Pretty please?Zeldryn wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2024 12:15 pm All responses and elaboration appreciated, as always, I say.
I normally am not this guy, but I'm admittedly just excited. So, I have to ask.
Any rough idea on a timeline for when we might see general/specialized ability implementation? I'm not talking like-- a specific deadline by any means. But. Hypothetically, given no crazy breakdowns. A couple days? A cople weeks? A couple months? I just want to temper my expectations appropriately!
Thanks again for all of the explanation and setting of expectations.
Re: On the horizon: Ability Trees, Class Specializations, and Guilds
Squeak wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2024 3:29 amInstead of how long, because that is a difficult thing to estimate and even worse to live up to that expectation, could we instead have an idea of how far along this overhaul has come already? A vague percentage is completely understandable, but gives us an idea without tying anyone to a date. We're all chomping at the bit in excitement, but we know it's a massive undertaking. A little tidbit would go a long way. Pretty please?Zeldryn wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2024 12:15 pm All responses and elaboration appreciated, as always, I say.
I normally am not this guy, but I'm admittedly just excited. So, I have to ask.
Any rough idea on a timeline for when we might see general/specialized ability implementation? I'm not talking like-- a specific deadline by any means. But. Hypothetically, given no crazy breakdowns. A couple days? A cople weeks? A couple months? I just want to temper my expectations appropriately!
Thanks again for all of the explanation and setting of expectations.
I'm guessing if Rias is announcing these changes, I'd give it a good 75% or so. Doesn't seem like the type to announce something at 30 or less percent completion but also my estimate is being pretty conservative so for all we know, it could be 95% or more. I'm curious myself.
Re: On the horizon: Ability Trees, Class Specializations, and Guilds
I don't know how classes are set up yet, if it's a thing you just type class classname to select like cogg or whatnot. If it's set up that way then I wonder about something, if you don't mind that is.
Since we have scarce ability slots compared to how many abilities we're going to have, and from how it seems, elemency aptitude is going to take up an ability slot so you can be a mage. If you can just class classname and can class into that, would it at least give abilities a bit of a breather to have elemency aptitude be part of the class instead of an ability on its own? You're not going to be able to select anything else anyway, no? Or does elemency aptitude do anything else other than just be a prereq for elemencer?
Since we have scarce ability slots compared to how many abilities we're going to have, and from how it seems, elemency aptitude is going to take up an ability slot so you can be a mage. If you can just class classname and can class into that, would it at least give abilities a bit of a breather to have elemency aptitude be part of the class instead of an ability on its own? You're not going to be able to select anything else anyway, no? Or does elemency aptitude do anything else other than just be a prereq for elemencer?
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Re: On the horizon: Ability Trees, Class Specializations, and Guilds
Yet more responses, both to things in this thread and things I've seen elsewhere or had reported to me.
Q: When will this all be ready?
A: When it's ready! It'll probably be implemented in waves, like basic combat (and probably some of the focused-combat-style) first, then class specializations a little later. I will say the first wave will be Actually Soon(tm)!
Q: Will we get ability resets?
A: Maybe! Depends on how smooth things go. I will say this: Don't just spend all your points immediately on the first release if the things you're interested in haven't been released yet.
Q: Is this trend of gating things behind ability points, like the multiple added metalworking crafting abilities, going to continue?
A: Yes. I've never been a fan of letting a single character do virtually everything. Pick your character's niche, and leave some available for other characters to fill so everyone can feel important, useful, and unique! I feel this makes for a much healthier community than having a single omnipotent character who can handle virtually any request, and make everyone else feel like they can't find an opportunity to participate or stand out. It's okay to disagree with this, and I'm aware of plenty of games that don't have such restrictions and how fun they can be. It's just not what I want for this game.
Q: What do you mean, Primary Attributes will be an ability point investment?
A: You'll pick your Primary Attribute by taking its corresponding ability, like any other ability. Though now that I think about it ... having it chosen through an NPC trainer does seem kind of weird. Maybe? If that seems too strange, I can always make another method of choosing those specific abilities, but then that's just one more layer of code complication to get through and pushing other things back.
Q: Can a Primary Attribute ability be unlearned?
A: No, and you can only learn one Primary Attribute ability.
Q: Can I learn the abilities to craft what I want, then unlearn those abilities to free up points for other stuff once I've crafted what I need?
A: I very much don't like this kind of thinking, so count on my trying to figure out a way to prevent stuff like this. If crafting those things isn't going to be something your character would normally do, you should ask someone else who -does- want to actually be built around crafting those things to make them for you. Let them feel important and useful for their chosen specialization!
Q: "I am so torn on choices. On one hand, Gudleifr's axe. On the other, Tower Shield."
A: Don't you dare let that axe go to waste!
Q: Will Wyrvardn be restricted to heavy armor classes?
A: Probably not, hence the Duelist being considered as one of their options. Nightblade, Marauder, and possibly Berserker all seem more iffy considering "Honor" is one of the Five Tenets of the Wyrvardn. Yes, it is possible to imagine an honorable example of any of those three, but again, trying to avoid the meta/theorycrafted builds that are exceptions to the norm and stray too far off the beaten paths. I don't want to muddy the intended presentation of these guilds. Whatever they case, they do insist on their members being particuarly capable at combat, hence the requiring of a combat specialization of some kind to join.
Q: What about a certain Wyrvardn NPC that used light armour with a musket?
A: Duelist would definitely suit her!
Q: How will we choose our character's class?
A: It's an ability you learn from a trainer. When you choose it, as part of the confirmation step it will inform you of its exclusivity and list the other classes and guilds you will be locked out of if you move forward.
Q: Will the Elemancy Aptitude ability actually do anything?
A: It's the class choice ability for Elemancer, and all class choices will have some kind of benefits to them, often in the way of some Boring Bonuses. Admittedly, I don't know what this particular one will grant yet. Considering how many elemancy abilities already have extra little side benefits or utilities though, I wouldn't expect this ability on its own to be anything especially remarkable.
Q: Will alchemy be a thing?
A: Probably as part of the Physicker class.
Q: Is this all going to be combat-centric stuff?
A: No, but a lot of the combat-centric stuff is coming first because combat is in a weird place at the moment without any supporting abilities. And for better or worse, combat is a huge part of the game. I'm glad people want to do other stuff besides combat, but the setting lends itself to being pretty combat-heavy. Don't worry, crafting is up near the top of the priority list too!
Q: Will there be music abilities?
A: I think it'd be neat, if we could figure out how to make them feel meaningful. At the very least it'd be nice to somehow prevent the why-not-ism of everyone eventually mastering every musical instrument just because there was no reason not to. Maybe require ability points for learning more than one instrument, or something. (And build higher limits into Bards and Mummers.)
Q: When will this all be ready?
A: When it's ready! It'll probably be implemented in waves, like basic combat (and probably some of the focused-combat-style) first, then class specializations a little later. I will say the first wave will be Actually Soon(tm)!
Q: Will we get ability resets?
A: Maybe! Depends on how smooth things go. I will say this: Don't just spend all your points immediately on the first release if the things you're interested in haven't been released yet.
Q: Is this trend of gating things behind ability points, like the multiple added metalworking crafting abilities, going to continue?
A: Yes. I've never been a fan of letting a single character do virtually everything. Pick your character's niche, and leave some available for other characters to fill so everyone can feel important, useful, and unique! I feel this makes for a much healthier community than having a single omnipotent character who can handle virtually any request, and make everyone else feel like they can't find an opportunity to participate or stand out. It's okay to disagree with this, and I'm aware of plenty of games that don't have such restrictions and how fun they can be. It's just not what I want for this game.
Q: What do you mean, Primary Attributes will be an ability point investment?
A: You'll pick your Primary Attribute by taking its corresponding ability, like any other ability. Though now that I think about it ... having it chosen through an NPC trainer does seem kind of weird. Maybe? If that seems too strange, I can always make another method of choosing those specific abilities, but then that's just one more layer of code complication to get through and pushing other things back.
Q: Can a Primary Attribute ability be unlearned?
A: No, and you can only learn one Primary Attribute ability.
Q: Can I learn the abilities to craft what I want, then unlearn those abilities to free up points for other stuff once I've crafted what I need?
A: I very much don't like this kind of thinking, so count on my trying to figure out a way to prevent stuff like this. If crafting those things isn't going to be something your character would normally do, you should ask someone else who -does- want to actually be built around crafting those things to make them for you. Let them feel important and useful for their chosen specialization!
Q: "I am so torn on choices. On one hand, Gudleifr's axe. On the other, Tower Shield."
A: Don't you dare let that axe go to waste!
Q: Will Wyrvardn be restricted to heavy armor classes?
A: Probably not, hence the Duelist being considered as one of their options. Nightblade, Marauder, and possibly Berserker all seem more iffy considering "Honor" is one of the Five Tenets of the Wyrvardn. Yes, it is possible to imagine an honorable example of any of those three, but again, trying to avoid the meta/theorycrafted builds that are exceptions to the norm and stray too far off the beaten paths. I don't want to muddy the intended presentation of these guilds. Whatever they case, they do insist on their members being particuarly capable at combat, hence the requiring of a combat specialization of some kind to join.
Q: What about a certain Wyrvardn NPC that used light armour with a musket?
A: Duelist would definitely suit her!
Q: How will we choose our character's class?
A: It's an ability you learn from a trainer. When you choose it, as part of the confirmation step it will inform you of its exclusivity and list the other classes and guilds you will be locked out of if you move forward.
Q: Will the Elemancy Aptitude ability actually do anything?
A: It's the class choice ability for Elemancer, and all class choices will have some kind of benefits to them, often in the way of some Boring Bonuses. Admittedly, I don't know what this particular one will grant yet. Considering how many elemancy abilities already have extra little side benefits or utilities though, I wouldn't expect this ability on its own to be anything especially remarkable.
Q: Will alchemy be a thing?
A: Probably as part of the Physicker class.
Q: Is this all going to be combat-centric stuff?
A: No, but a lot of the combat-centric stuff is coming first because combat is in a weird place at the moment without any supporting abilities. And for better or worse, combat is a huge part of the game. I'm glad people want to do other stuff besides combat, but the setting lends itself to being pretty combat-heavy. Don't worry, crafting is up near the top of the priority list too!
Q: Will there be music abilities?
A: I think it'd be neat, if we could figure out how to make them feel meaningful. At the very least it'd be nice to somehow prevent the why-not-ism of everyone eventually mastering every musical instrument just because there was no reason not to. Maybe require ability points for learning more than one instrument, or something. (And build higher limits into Bards and Mummers.)
The lore compels me!
Re: On the horizon: Ability Trees, Class Specializations, and Guilds
Alright so classes by themselves are abilities, and attributes are also abilities, and all use ability points. Is my understanding correct?
I think letting npcs train attributes is fine as long as they're appropriate for the job, like you just went through some intense physical endurance training with a combat trainer, train body building with another trainer, go through dexterity practice wit someone else blah blah bla. It does make sense. Just to make sure though. It's not a requirement, right?
I think letting npcs train attributes is fine as long as they're appropriate for the job, like you just went through some intense physical endurance training with a combat trainer, train body building with another trainer, go through dexterity practice wit someone else blah blah bla. It does make sense. Just to make sure though. It's not a requirement, right?
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Re: On the horizon: Ability Trees, Class Specializations, and Guilds
Correct.
Correct, it's completely optional.[Picking a primary attribute] is not a requirement, right?
The lore compels me!
Re: On the horizon: Ability Trees, Class Specializations, and Guilds
Guess that answers that really. The axe does have a certain siren's allure to it. Classic Black imagery.
~Dorn
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Re: On the horizon: Ability Trees, Class Specializations, and Guilds
Likewise excited for the future.
Definitely like the way things sound, and look forward to things as they come. Thanks again for elaboration and additional details!
Definitely like the way things sound, and look forward to things as they come. Thanks again for elaboration and additional details!
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Re: On the horizon: Ability Trees, Class Specializations, and Guilds
I just wanted to drop in and suggest that marauder be considered for Utasa. the play style of that class would fit well with the guild. It would definitely add a little diversity to the organization as well.
Re: On the horizon: Ability Trees, Class Specializations, and Guilds
Everybody do the Marauder mash:
Marauder fit a lot of places, in my head. They are very versatile concepts.
- Brotherhood of the Fist: Just less refined. Flavor them as leaning into the Fedor Emelianenko or Conor McGregor over the... I don't know. A more technical MMA fighter. I go to fencing for my technicality, most times.
- Dwaedn Wyr: I think I mentioned above, but throwing yourself into a fight and using whatever is around you at all times to survive? Metal, and also perfect for this. Are you telling me that animals don't fight dirty or use strengths to their advantage, like tools? We have shields. At least it isn't a Guardian. Our shield is for defense, sure, but also... face smash!
- Thieves: Marauder isn't a question mark here, but I figured I would highlight it. Thugs are awesome, and there is nothing more awesome than a normal looking dude who you are having a business meeting with who can also smash your face through a desk. And then hit you with the broken pieces of wood from the desk.
- Templar: I think Marauder fits here, personally, but I recognize that it might be leaning a little far from the base. But I'll stil ltry, just in case. Hey look, a rhyme. Anyway, when you care so much about doing good that you will do anything for it, including fighting dirty... seems to work to me, especially considering dreadnoughts. My vision of dreadnoughts has always been a bit more brutally killing machine than Guardian.
- Wyrvardn: See the Templars. I think it fits better here, than Templar. Some dude fighting for his home with whatever he can get his hands on.
Marauder fit a lot of places, in my head. They are very versatile concepts.
- Brotherhood of the Fist: Just less refined. Flavor them as leaning into the Fedor Emelianenko or Conor McGregor over the... I don't know. A more technical MMA fighter. I go to fencing for my technicality, most times.
- Dwaedn Wyr: I think I mentioned above, but throwing yourself into a fight and using whatever is around you at all times to survive? Metal, and also perfect for this. Are you telling me that animals don't fight dirty or use strengths to their advantage, like tools? We have shields. At least it isn't a Guardian. Our shield is for defense, sure, but also... face smash!
- Thieves: Marauder isn't a question mark here, but I figured I would highlight it. Thugs are awesome, and there is nothing more awesome than a normal looking dude who you are having a business meeting with who can also smash your face through a desk. And then hit you with the broken pieces of wood from the desk.
- Templar: I think Marauder fits here, personally, but I recognize that it might be leaning a little far from the base. But I'll stil ltry, just in case. Hey look, a rhyme. Anyway, when you care so much about doing good that you will do anything for it, including fighting dirty... seems to work to me, especially considering dreadnoughts. My vision of dreadnoughts has always been a bit more brutally killing machine than Guardian.
- Wyrvardn: See the Templars. I think it fits better here, than Templar. Some dude fighting for his home with whatever he can get his hands on.
Re: On the horizon: Ability Trees, Class Specializations, and Guilds
Did somebody call for me???
Oh.
Yeah, thirded. Marauders are about adaptability and honorless combat, which doesn't necessarily exclude a lot of guilds. Thug-based Thieves would be GREAT. The major issue with Dwaedn Wyr is the lore behind Dwaedn Wyr might exclude Marauders because they're extremely dishonorable, but on the flip side; anything goes in a life or death battle.
Templars? Definitely not, in my opinion. It'd possibly ruin their ability to use their magic if they focused too much on dirty tactics.
Oh.
Yeah, thirded. Marauders are about adaptability and honorless combat, which doesn't necessarily exclude a lot of guilds. Thug-based Thieves would be GREAT. The major issue with Dwaedn Wyr is the lore behind Dwaedn Wyr might exclude Marauders because they're extremely dishonorable, but on the flip side; anything goes in a life or death battle.
Templars? Definitely not, in my opinion. It'd possibly ruin their ability to use their magic if they focused too much on dirty tactics.
Re: On the horizon: Ability Trees, Class Specializations, and Guilds
I wasn't around to play before the time gap, but is the argument that fighting with everything you have, dirty or not, is much like the beasts they revere not worth pursuing? I'm not saying you're wrong; I get why it was a question mark'd option. But I dunno. I think that tangentially related classes don't need to be excluded. Particularly when there already are not a lot of classes that can play in the guild.Marauder wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 6:01 pm The major issue with Dwaedn Wyr is the lore behind Dwaedn Wyr might exclude Marauders because they're extremely dishonorable, but on the flip side; anything goes in a life or death battle.
Templars? Definitely not, in my opinion. It'd possibly ruin their ability to use their magic if they focused too much on dirty tactics.
Templars, though, I get. While I think that the focus on how dirty they fight is not necessarily warranted, considering they have more depth, it's also just a fair assessment.
Re: On the horizon: Ability Trees, Class Specializations, and Guilds
Double post, but I think it's worth adding the general sentiment that... everyone fights dirty, when it comes down to it. Obviously this might be pushing too hard into realism, but if you are back against a wall with a man's sword at your neck, you will probably do anything to get out of that situation, even if it means kneeing him in the groin, or throwing dirt in his face, or biting his ear off. Knights grappled and stabbed at visors to try and blind each other, and a huge tactic in the most honorable of men was to fight with their back to the sun to make it harder for an enemy to fight. Hell, even the footwork employed by trained swordsman was never unwilling to work toward using the terrain around them to their advantage. Distract someone with your swordwork while you maneuver them into a rougher patch of ground, and get an advantage. Punch them in the face while they aren't expecting it.
Dunno. I find it hard to imagine someone refusing another person entry into a guild in the Lost Lands of all place, based on how dirty they fight. In a place where, for some people, every living moment is a desperate, bloody struggle for breath.
But it's also a game.
Dunno. I find it hard to imagine someone refusing another person entry into a guild in the Lost Lands of all place, based on how dirty they fight. In a place where, for some people, every living moment is a desperate, bloody struggle for breath.
But it's also a game.
Re: On the horizon: Ability Trees, Class Specializations, and Guilds
NOTE: THIS IS ALL A WORK IN PROGRESS! Abilities may be added, removed, tweaked, and so on. In cases of extreme changes, ability resets may be offered. I'm essentially having the players serve as testers for this, so be prepared for changes or alterations.
There are now some combat abilities available! Taking certain abilities will inform the player that they may unlock, or lock out of, exclusive classes or guilds. This should help people make more informed decisions regarding guild eligibility. Legacy characters already in guilds -should- be prevented from taking an ability that would prevent them from being able to take a class their guild accepts, but the logic is fiddly so please report if you somehow get stuck unable to pick a class your guild allows, or somehow manage to pick a class not accepted by your guild (see the first post in this thread for list of guild/class compatibility).
Note that class trainers can also teach abilities not locked behind their associated class.
Shadgard trainers:
- the berserker Baerig (class trainer, found in barracks or on guard duty in the gatehouse)
- the dreadnought trainer (class trainer, found in barracks, will be given a name later)
- the duelist Agata (class trainer, found in barracks)
- the guardian Olwyn (class trainer, found in barracks)
- the marauder trainer (class trainer, found in barracks, will be given a name later)
- the nightblade Jahid (class trainer, found in barracks)
- the sharpshooter Jaclyn (ranged abilities, found in barracks or on guard duty atop the gatehouse)
- the skirmisher Tonalli (ranged abilities, found in barracks)
- the huntress Falore (ranged abilities, found in Lost Ranger lounge or on guard duty atop the gatehouse)
Corvus trainers (all in the barracks):
- the marauder Braith (class trainer)
- the dreadnought Jorunnr (class trainer)
- the duelist Hasim (class trainer)
- the hunter Hettan (ranged abilities)
- the nightblade Ephai (class trainer)
- the guardian Pathos (class trainer)
I just realized Corvus is missing a Berserker class trainer. Oops. I'll get a generic one thrown in soon, same location (barracks).
Ranged abilities are relatively few, as there aren't any ranged combat specialized classes. Unsure if this will change, but there are more ranged abilities in the pipe that are more specific to particular weapon types.
A script was run earlier to remove abilities from legacy characters if they didn't have the prerequisites for the abilities, as well as a few non-functioning abilities like the old tactics abilities and the old Dirty Tricks. This should have freed up a bunch of points for many legacy characters. Unfortunately it also removed a lot of sorcery abilities from Rooks, because a bunch of prerequisites changed, but Rooks can go to their guild trainer and re-learn the abilities. Sorry for the inconvenience, Rooks!
I am aware that confirming the learning of some abilities with exclusivity or guild compatibility warnings is pretty janky, in that it has to be asked about four times in a row. I'll get that straightened out later, but for now please bear with it.
I feel like I had more to say or explain on the subject, but I'm tired, so that's about it for this post. Oh, and as always: Please give feedback here in this thread, and report bugs via the BUG command in-game.
Happy combatting with actual abilities!
P.S. Updated the original post to show that Udemi will now accept Nightblades, Bards, and Berserkers in addition to Rangers. Hooray for variety and some increased combat capability in their fight against the resen out in the wilds!
There are now some combat abilities available! Taking certain abilities will inform the player that they may unlock, or lock out of, exclusive classes or guilds. This should help people make more informed decisions regarding guild eligibility. Legacy characters already in guilds -should- be prevented from taking an ability that would prevent them from being able to take a class their guild accepts, but the logic is fiddly so please report if you somehow get stuck unable to pick a class your guild allows, or somehow manage to pick a class not accepted by your guild (see the first post in this thread for list of guild/class compatibility).
Note that class trainers can also teach abilities not locked behind their associated class.
Shadgard trainers:
- the berserker Baerig (class trainer, found in barracks or on guard duty in the gatehouse)
- the dreadnought trainer (class trainer, found in barracks, will be given a name later)
- the duelist Agata (class trainer, found in barracks)
- the guardian Olwyn (class trainer, found in barracks)
- the marauder trainer (class trainer, found in barracks, will be given a name later)
- the nightblade Jahid (class trainer, found in barracks)
- the sharpshooter Jaclyn (ranged abilities, found in barracks or on guard duty atop the gatehouse)
- the skirmisher Tonalli (ranged abilities, found in barracks)
- the huntress Falore (ranged abilities, found in Lost Ranger lounge or on guard duty atop the gatehouse)
Corvus trainers (all in the barracks):
- the marauder Braith (class trainer)
- the dreadnought Jorunnr (class trainer)
- the duelist Hasim (class trainer)
- the hunter Hettan (ranged abilities)
- the nightblade Ephai (class trainer)
- the guardian Pathos (class trainer)
I just realized Corvus is missing a Berserker class trainer. Oops. I'll get a generic one thrown in soon, same location (barracks).
Ranged abilities are relatively few, as there aren't any ranged combat specialized classes. Unsure if this will change, but there are more ranged abilities in the pipe that are more specific to particular weapon types.
A script was run earlier to remove abilities from legacy characters if they didn't have the prerequisites for the abilities, as well as a few non-functioning abilities like the old tactics abilities and the old Dirty Tricks. This should have freed up a bunch of points for many legacy characters. Unfortunately it also removed a lot of sorcery abilities from Rooks, because a bunch of prerequisites changed, but Rooks can go to their guild trainer and re-learn the abilities. Sorry for the inconvenience, Rooks!
I am aware that confirming the learning of some abilities with exclusivity or guild compatibility warnings is pretty janky, in that it has to be asked about four times in a row. I'll get that straightened out later, but for now please bear with it.
I feel like I had more to say or explain on the subject, but I'm tired, so that's about it for this post. Oh, and as always: Please give feedback here in this thread, and report bugs via the BUG command in-game.
Happy combatting with actual abilities!
P.S. Updated the original post to show that Udemi will now accept Nightblades, Bards, and Berserkers in addition to Rangers. Hooray for variety and some increased combat capability in their fight against the resen out in the wilds!
The lore compels me!