Skillgains for Firearms?

[merin]

Hi,

For those of you that use firearms, I seem to be noticing a 0.005 to a 0.007, maybe, maybe, a 0.01 gain as shown below:

skills study
You are studying 3 of a maximum 3 skills:
Firearms ....... 8.022 (Studying: 20 hours) (Practice: 0.905)
Marksmanship ... 6.701 (Studying: 20 hours) (Practice: 0.905)
Stealth ........ 3.116 (base 4.116) (Studying: 23 hours) (Practice: 1.662)
bar
You prepare to unleash a barrage of shots!
(Type stop to stop auto-firing.)
(Type stop to stop auto-firing.)
You pull the trigger of your iron-barreled flintlock.
You fire a lead shot at an infested carrier! (R:87 vs D:100)
1 seconds.
(energy -2)
(Type stop to stop auto-firing.)
(Attempting to move out of engage combat position.)
You are now attempting to remain at ranged distance from hostiles.
You retrieve a shoulder powderhorn from your worn canvas backpack and carefully load some powder from it into your iron-barreled flintlock, then stow the shoulder powderhorn.
3 seconds.
An infested carrier moves in toward you, but is unable to get close enough.
(Type stop to stop auto-firing.)
You retrieve a lead shot from your shot pouch and load it into your iron-barreled flintlock.
You pull the trigger of your iron-barreled flintlock.
You fire a lead shot at an infested carrier! (R:98 vs D:100)
1 seconds.
(energy -2)
(Changing combat position to Engage)
(energy -3)
(Type stop to stop auto-firing.)
(Attempting to move out of engage combat position.)
You are unable to get away from the hostiles engaging you in combat!
3 seconds.
skills study
(Type stop to stop auto-firing.)
(Attempting to move out of engage combat position.)
You manage to break away from the hostiles engaging you in combat!
You are now attempting to remain at ranged distance from hostiles.
3 seconds.
You retrieve a shoulder powderhorn from your worn canvas backpack and carefully load some powder from it into your iron-barreled flintlock, then stow the shoulder powderhorn.
3 seconds.
You are studying 3 of a maximum 3 skills:
Firearms ....... 8.022 (Studying: 20 hours) (Practice: 0.905)
Marksmanship ... 6.701 (Studying: 20 hours) (Practice: 0.905)
Stealth ........ 3.116 (base 4.116) (Studying: 23 hours) (Practice: 1.662)
An infested carrier moves in toward you, but is unable to get close enough.
(Type stop to stop auto-firing.)
You retrieve a lead shot from your shot pouch and load it into your iron-barreled flintlock.
You pull the trigger of your iron-barreled flintlock.
You fire a lead shot at an infested carrier! (R:98 vs D:100)
1 seconds.
(energy -2)
An infested carrier moves in toward you, but is unable to get close enough.
Your chest has completely healed under your bandages, so you remove them.
(Type stop to stop auto-firing.)
You retrieve a shoulder powderhorn from your worn canvas backpack and carefully load some powder from it into your iron-barreled flintlock, then stow the shoulder powderhorn.
3 seconds.
Your left eye has completely healed under your bandages, so you remove them.
An infested carrier moves in toward you, but is unable to get close enough.
(Type stop to stop auto-firing.)
You retrieve a lead shot from your shot pouch and load it into your iron-barreled flintlock.
You pull the trigger of your iron-barreled flintlock.
You fire a lead shot at an infested carrier! (R:109 vs D:100)
1 seconds.
(energy -2)
tac
You are currently using the following tactics: none
For a list of available tactics, type tactics help.
(Type stop to stop auto-firing.)
You retrieve a shoulder powderhorn from your worn canvas backpack and carefully load some powder from it into your iron-barreled flintlock, then stow the shoulder powderhorn.
3 seconds.
An infested carrier moves in toward you, but is unable to get close enough.
(Type stop to stop auto-firing.)
You retrieve a lead shot from your shot pouch and load it into your iron-barreled flintlock.
You pull the trigger of your iron-barreled flintlock.
You fire a lead shot at an infested carrier! (R:109 vs D:100)
44 pierce damage to the left arm!
1 seconds.
(energy -2)
(Type stop to stop auto-firing.)
You retrieve a shoulder powderhorn from your worn canvas backpack and carefully load some powder from it into your iron-barreled flintlock, then stow the shoulder powderhorn.
3 seconds.
(Changing combat position to Engage)
1 bludgeon damage to the right arm!
(energy -3)
skills study
You are studying 3 of a maximum 3 skills:
Firearms ....... 8.032 (Studying: 20 hours) (Practice: 0.9)
Marksmanship ... 6.711 (Studying: 20 hours) (Practice: 0.9)
Stealth ........ 3.116 (base 4.116) (Studying: 23 hours) (Practice: 1.662)
A breeze blows through the grass, causing the green blades to shift and tremble.
(Type stop to stop auto-firing.)
You retrieve a lead shot from your shot pouch and load it into your iron-barreled flintlock.
You pull the trigger of your iron-barreled flintlock.
You fire a lead shot at an infested carrier! (R:109 vs D:100)
1 seconds.
(energy -2)
(Type stop to stop auto-firing.)
(Attempting to move out of engage combat position.)
You manage to break away from the hostiles engaging you in combat!
You are now attempting to remain at ranged distance from hostiles.
3 seconds.
You retrieve a shoulder powderhorn from your worn canvas backpack and carefully load some powder from it into your iron-barreled flintlock, then stow the shoulder powderhorn.
3 seconds.
An infested carrier moves in toward you, but is unable to get close enough.
(Type stop to stop auto-firing.)
You retrieve a lead shot from your shot pouch and load it into your iron-barreled flintlock.
You pull the trigger of your iron-barreled flintlock.
You fire a lead shot at an infested carrier! (R:87 vs D:100)
1 seconds.
(energy -2)
An infested carrier moves in toward you, but is unable to get close enough.
(Type stop to stop auto-firing.)
You retrieve a shoulder powderhorn from your worn canvas backpack and carefully load some powder from it into your iron-barreled flintlock, then stow the shoulder powderhorn.
3 seconds.
An infested carrier moves in toward you, but is unable to get close enough.
(Type stop to stop auto-firing.)
You retrieve a lead shot from your shot pouch and load it into your iron-barreled flintlock.
You pull the trigger of your iron-barreled flintlock.
You fire a lead shot at an infested carrier! (R:98 vs D:100)
1 seconds.
(energy -2)
(Type stop to stop auto-firing.)
You retrieve a shoulder powderhorn from your worn canvas backpack and carefully load some powder from it into your iron-barreled flintlock, then stow the shoulder powderhorn.
3 seconds.
(Changing combat position to Engage)
4 bludgeon damage -- to the abdomen, somewhat deflected by a brigandine cuirass.
(energy -3)
(Type stop to stop auto-firing.)
You retrieve a lead shot from your shot pouch and load it into your iron-barreled flintlock.
You pull the trigger of your iron-barreled flintlock.
You fire a lead shot at an infested carrier! (R:87 vs D:100)
68 pierce damage to the right arm!
1 seconds.
(energy -2)
(Type stop to stop auto-firing.)
(Attempting to move out of engage combat position.)
You are unable to get away from the hostiles engaging you in combat!
3 seconds.
skills study
You are studying 3 of a maximum 3 skills:
Firearms ....... 8.044 (Studying: 20 hours) (Practice: 0.894)
Marksmanship ... 6.723 (Studying: 20 hours) (Practice: 0.894)
Stealth ........ 3.116 (base 4.116) (Studying: 23 hours) (Practice: 1.662)
(Type stop to stop auto-firing.)
(Attempting to move out of engage combat position.)
You are unable to get away from the hostiles engaging you in combat!
3 seconds.
4 bludgeon damage -- to the abdomen, somewhat deflected by a brigandine cuirass.
(energy -3)
(Type stop to stop auto-firing.)
(Attempting to move out of engage combat position.)
You manage to break away from the hostiles engaging you in combat!
You are now attempting to remain at ranged distance from hostiles.
3 seconds.
You retrieve a shoulder powderhorn from your worn canvas backpack and carefully load some powder from it into your iron-barreled flintlock, then stow the shoulder powderhorn.
3 seconds.
An infested carrier moves in toward you, but is unable to get close enough.
(Type stop to stop auto-firing.)
You retrieve a lead shot from your shot pouch and load it into your iron-barreled flintlock.
You pull the trigger of your iron-barreled flintlock.
You fire a lead shot at an infested carrier! (R:109 vs D:100)
54 pierce damage to the left arm!
1 seconds.
(energy -2)
skills study
(Type stop to stop auto-firing.)
You retrieve a shoulder powderhorn from your worn canvas backpack and carefully load some powder from it into your iron-barreled flintlock, then stow the shoulder powderhorn.
3 seconds.
You are studying 3 of a maximum 3 skills:
Firearms ....... 8.054 (Studying: 20 hours) (Practice: 0.889)
Marksmanship ... 6.733 (Studying: 20 hours) (Practice: 0.889)
Stealth ........ 3.116 (base 4.116) (Studying: 23 hours) (Practice: 1.662)
Your right eye has completely healed under your bandages, so you remove them.
(Changing combat position to Engage)
(energy -3)
(Type stop to stop auto-firing.)
You retrieve a lead shot from your shot pouch and load it into your iron-barreled flintlock.
You pull the trigger of your iron-barreled flintlock.
You fire a lead shot at an infested carrier! (R:109 vs D:95)
15 pierce damage - to the left foot, barely deflected by a pair of leather boots.
1 seconds.
(energy -2)
(Type stop to stop auto-firing.)
(Attempting to move out of engage combat position.)
You are unable to get away from the hostiles engaging you in combat!
3 seconds.
skills study
You are studying 3 of a maximum 3 skills:
Firearms ....... 8.054 (Studying: 20 hours) (Practice: 0.889)
Marksmanship ... 6.733 (Studying: 20 hours) (Practice: 0.889)
Stealth ........ 3.116 (base 4.116) (Studying: 23 hours) (Practice: 1.662)
(Type stop to stop auto-firing.)
(Attempting to move out of engage combat position.)
You are unable to get away from the hostiles engaging you in combat!
3 seconds.
(energy -3)
(Type stop to stop auto-firing.)
(Attempting to move out of engage combat position.)
You are unable to get away from the hostiles engaging you in combat!
3 seconds.
(Type stop to stop auto-firing.)
(Attempting to move out of engage combat position.)
You manage to break away from the hostiles engaging you in combat!
You are now attempting to remain at ranged distance from hostiles.
3 seconds.
You retrieve a shoulder powderhorn from your worn canvas backpack and carefully load some powder from it into your iron-barreled flintlock, then stow the shoulder powderhorn.
3 seconds.
An infested carrier moves in toward you, but is unable to get close enough.
(Changing combat position to Engage)
(energy -3)
(Type stop to stop auto-firing.)
You retrieve a lead shot from your shot pouch and load it into your iron-barreled flintlock.
You pull the trigger of your iron-barreled flintlock.
You fire a lead shot at an infested carrier! (R:98 vs D:91)
1 seconds.
(energy -2)
(Type stop to stop auto-firing.)
(Attempting to move out of engage combat position.)
You manage to break away from the hostiles engaging you in combat!
You are now attempting to remain at ranged distance from hostiles.
3 seconds.
You retrieve a shoulder powderhorn from your worn canvas backpack and carefully load some powder from it into your iron-barreled flintlock, then stow the shoulder powderhorn.
3 seconds.
(Changing combat position to Engage)
(energy -3)
Your right leg has completely healed under your bandages, so you remove them.
(Type stop to stop auto-firing.)
You retrieve a lead shot from your shot pouch and load it into your iron-barreled flintlock.
You pull the trigger of your iron-barreled flintlock.
You fire a lead shot at an infested carrier! (R:98 vs D:91)
17 pierce damage to the right leg!
1 seconds.
(energy -2)
skills study
(Type stop to stop auto-firing.)
(Attempting to move out of engage combat position.)
You manage to break away from the hostiles engaging you in combat!
You are now attempting to remain at ranged distance from hostiles.
3 seconds.
You retrieve a shoulder powderhorn from your worn canvas backpack and carefully load some powder from it into your iron-barreled flintlock, then stow the shoulder powderhorn.
3 seconds.
You are studying 3 of a maximum 3 skills:
Firearms ....... 8.064 (Studying: 20 hours) (Practice: 0.884)
Marksmanship ... 6.743 (Studying: 20 hours) (Practice: 0.884)
Stealth ........ 3.116 (base 4.116) (Studying: 23 hours) (Practice: 1.662)
Your head has completely healed under your bandages, so you remove them.
An infested carrier moves in toward you, but is unable to get close enough.
(Type stop to stop auto-firing.)
You retrieve a lead shot from your shot pouch and load it into your iron-barreled flintlock.
You pull the trigger of your iron-barreled flintlock.
You fire a lead shot at an infested carrier! (R:98 vs D:87)
54 pierce damage to the right arm!
1 seconds.
(energy -2)
** An infested carrier falls unconscious!
(Type stop to stop auto-firing.)
You retrieve a shoulder powderhorn from your worn canvas backpack and carefully load some powder from it into your iron-barreled flintlock, then stow the shoulder powderhorn.
3 seconds.
skills study
You are studying 3 of a maximum 3 skills:
Firearms ....... 8.064 (Studying: 20 hours) (Practice: 0.884)
Marksmanship ... 6.743 (Studying: 20 hours) (Practice: 0.884)
Stealth ........ 3.116 (base 4.116) (Studying: 23 hours) (Practice: 1.662)
Your left foot has completely healed under your bandages, so you remove them.
(Type stop to stop auto-firing.)
You retrieve a lead shot from your shot pouch and load it into your iron-barreled flintlock.
You pull the trigger of your iron-barreled flintlock.
You fire a lead shot at an infested carrier! (R:87 vs D:0)
80 pierce damage to the right hand!
An infested carrier has been defeated.
1 seconds.
(energy -2)
(Type stop to stop auto-firing.)
You retrieve a shoulder powderhorn from your worn canvas backpack and carefully load some powder from it into your iron-barreled flintlock, then stow the shoulder powderhorn.
3 seconds.
skills study
You are studying 3 of a maximum 3 skills:
Firearms ....... 8.064 (Studying: 20 hours) (Practice: 0.884)
Marksmanship ... 6.743 (Studying: 20 hours) (Practice: 0.884)
Stealth ........ 3.116 (base 4.116) (Studying: 23 hours) (Practice: 1.662)

Those, imho, look a little on the low side...is it just me and are they the way they should be? Or is that a little low as I theorize?

Any other weapon it seems gains at a minimum of 0.005. At my firearms and marksman levels, it's nearly impossible to hit at tactics dodge -- the rolls are so close now as it is, and it feels like compared to any other weapon the lessons are extremely drawn out torture! :)

[Jirato]

I don't see where you're getting these numbers in the thousandths. Keep in mind you only get skill when you hit something. If you're trying to average out your skill gain based on your total number of attacks, whether or not they hit, that's not going to be accurate.

Your skill gain will go up as you get better at using the weapon and you start hitting your targets more.

Were you under a death depart penalty at the time?

You hit the target once for 0.01 skill.

You hit it again with an attack penalty (armor probably?) for 0.012 skill.

You hit it a third time for 0.01 skill.

On your fourth hit, you didn't seem to get any skill. I'm not sure why, I'd have to look into that.

You hit it a fifth time for another 0.01 skill.

You hit it the sixth and final time while it was unconscious for no skill (unconscious targets never grant any skill).

[merin]

No, I wasn't under a depart penalty. Will armor cause issues with skillgains? I was wearing armor...

Also, my lesson was going down in some of those 0l.005 it seems. I've usually always seen those go down 0.01. From what you're saying, though, this is normal?

[Rias]

One big issue is that weapon gain is largely based on the roundtime of the attack (so faster and slower weapons all gain at the same rate). Firearms, of course, are unique in that they fire very quickly, but take time to load as a separate action. Thusly, the load time wasn't being considered in the gain equation upon firing ... oops.

Fixed now, though!

[Elystole]

One big issue is that weapon gain is largely based on the roundtime of the attack (so faster and slower weapons all gain at the same rate). Firearms, of course, are unique in that they fire very quickly, but take time to load as a separate action. Thusly, the load time wasn't being considered in the gain equation upon firing ... oops.

Fixed now, though!

Huzzah!

[merin]

Wow that's a huge difference! :). Thanks a lot for giving this some attention, guys.